10.18.2004

aint no daisy

A while back, I found an interesting examination of the "5 points of Calvinism," by popular Roman Catholic apologist, Jimmy Akin. As he "tiptoes" through the TULIP, he tries to show how a Roman Catholic could accept a majority of TULIP. It's interesting to me because it's a Roman Catholic (Presbyterian convert) announcing that much of "Calvinism" was already there to be found in the general Catholic tradition. A lot of his criticisms, as well, are only valid in regard to unhealthy American baptistic distortions of Reformed soteriology. But even John Piper, the very best of the "reformed baptist" crowd understands that Perseverance of the Saints, for example, does not mean "once you're in, you're in." Piper has said, "I believe in a doctring of the Perseverance of the Saints in which John Piper can lose everything and make a shipwreck of the Faith." (This is from his Cowper bio lecture.). Anyhow, to treat TULIP as the sum total of "Calvinism" is to ignore a large part of Reformed tradition. And isolating TULIP from its broader Reformed, covenantal context is not to deal honestly with the reformed tradition. Both Roman Catholics and many who would claim the moniker "reformed" are guilty of this reductionism.

I'm already late for work. Sorry that my thoughts are rambling.

For better and for worse, we have numerous popularizers of Reformed theology around today. The result is that what most of us think of as ‘Reformed’ is greatly truncated. American Reformed theology is like a bad cassette recording of the real thing.
-Rich Lusk, from Covenant and Election FAQ (version 6.4)



1 Comments:

Blogger trawlerman said...

I read that article six or seven months ago. I'd say Jimmy was addressing the TULIP crowd specifically (the many "reformed" who do not know the intricacies of their tradition and who have simplified it to a quick and simple acrostic) to simply show that Catholicism generally (and specifically Thomism) is not so far removed from the average "reformed" view of predestination as many would like to portray.
The Catholic Church is not monolithic in Her understanding of predestination, and different schools exist (within certain limited parameters) that seek to understand this great mystery. Two limited parameters are as follows: 1. God by His eternal resolve of Will, has predestined certain men to eternal blessedness.
2. God, by His eternal resolve of Will, predestines certain men, on account of their foreseen sins, to eternal rejection.
P.J. | 10.18.04 - 7:48 pm | #

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(cont.) Trent also taught that man is unable to know with absolute certainty that he is one of the elect. "Wherefore let him that thinketh himself to stand, take heed lest he fall." I Cor. 10:12. In spite of this lack of complete certainty, there are valid signs which indicate a high probability of one's predestination. In the end though, man is not to presume his eternal salvation, but is eagerly and humbly (and ever full of hope) look to our most gracious Eternal Father with confidence, taking hold of the merits of Christ and perservering by His grace to that end.
P.J. | 10.18.04 - 7:51 pm | #

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(cont.) If it is sad that many "reformed" do not grasp the depth or complexity of their tradition, it is sadder still that the average Catholic in this country doesn't seem to grasp the concept of salvation by grace by faith. If they would only take a few hours to read through the beloved ananthemas of Trent, or better yet buy a $7.00 Catechism, they would see that what they have been taught (or more likely have not) is not compatible with the teaching of the Church. This leads to the common caricature that Catholics are "saved by works", when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. God knows His own, even if some of them mistakenly are unable to fully live out their faith, and thank God that therein remains a great mystery.
P.J. | 10.18.04 - 7:52 pm | #

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(cont.) It would be difficult for any apologist to address all of the flavors (or perversions) of Calvinism or what constitutes the greater covenantal context among varying groups of Calvinists in a short paper which does not have this as its primary goal. That being said, I do get frustrated at times by overly simplistic generalizations applied to Protestantism in general (or specific denominations) by well-meaning "defenders of the Faith". I have no doubt been guilty of that myself a time or two.
P.J. | 10.18.04 - 8:01 pm | #

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boy, i get all excited seeing i've got four comments, only to find that they all have the same source.
not that they're not good comments, mind you. why did you split it up into four comments?
i wasn't really harshly criticizing akin, i know that someone has to deal with the likes of boettner, or , even worse, james white and his kin.
i agree that akin was adressing the tulip crowd specifically, but i really do think that akin thinks that this is synonymous with "reformed" in general. there is no evidence to the contrary in this short essay. he starts by writing "by understanding calvinism better, catholics can help make more calvinists make the jump." then he goes on to lay out tulip. he's clearly identifying and equating something named "calvinism" with something named "tulip."
if he had simply used one sentence to qualify his statements, such as "some calvinists believe this.." i'd be a bit happier.
anyhow, i liked his short article and that's why i linked to
John Owen | Email | Homepage | 10.19.04 - 7:38 am | #

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now i see why you cut up your comments. that's too bad that haloscan cuts off comments after so many characters. maybe i'll go back to just using standard blogger comments.
John Owen | Email | Homepage | 10.19.04 - 7:39 am | #

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and don't get me wrong, i do think that akin was very fair and charitable.
john | Email | Homepage | 10.19.04 - 3:48 pm | #

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This will make your post count leap to 8. I didn't think you were too harsh on Jimmy boy. And qualifications like "some _____ believe" could be tagged almost onto any discussion when trying to accurately portray a group in question. It is very easy to paint with too broad a brush.
P.J. | 10.19.04 - 5:33 pm | #

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